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		<title>By: Joe</title>
		<link>http://arielwaldman.com/2008/04/21/community-in-the-comments/comment-page-1/#comment-470</link>
		<dc:creator>Joe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 24 May 2008 22:58:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think Youtube set a very bad precedent for web communities. It&#039;s probably the most uncivilized forum on the internet, and it&#039;s kind of lowered the bar for everyone else. 

I think community management and content are both responsible for creating the kind of community Flickr. Vimeo, Veoh, Viddler, and most other video sites all have more mature user communities. This might be a function of size, but the fact that rival video survaves usually host user-created videos instead, and therefor have more invested in the site might have something to do with it.

Also, we shouldn&#039;t underestimate the role demography plays. Sites like Flickr and Facebook cater to more upscale users, whereas sites like Youtube and Myspace attract users that are more low-rent. In a way, Youtube is the biggest trailer park in the universe.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think Youtube set a very bad precedent for web communities. It&#8217;s probably the most uncivilized forum on the internet, and it&#8217;s kind of lowered the bar for everyone else. </p>
<p>I think community management and content are both responsible for creating the kind of community Flickr. Vimeo, Veoh, Viddler, and most other video sites all have more mature user communities. This might be a function of size, but the fact that rival video survaves usually host user-created videos instead, and therefor have more invested in the site might have something to do with it.</p>
<p>Also, we shouldn&#8217;t underestimate the role demography plays. Sites like Flickr and Facebook cater to more upscale users, whereas sites like Youtube and Myspace attract users that are more low-rent. In a way, Youtube is the biggest trailer park in the universe.</p>
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		<title>By: Eric Susch</title>
		<link>http://arielwaldman.com/2008/04/21/community-in-the-comments/comment-page-1/#comment-112</link>
		<dc:creator>Eric Susch</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 May 2008 12:00:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Not sure I agree with nolandfone (or really understand what he/she is saying.)  There have been a lot of well established communities around amateur and professional video.  Back in the day when I was growing up Super-8 was popular and I subscribed to magazines like Super-8 filmmaker and Cinemagic.

Many of the other comments I agree with but there&#039;s one thing that hasn&#039;t been mentioned.  I think the character of any social community is going to ultimately depend on the nature of the core reason people are getting together in the first place.  Photography is a more contemplative art, a freeze frame of life.  It encourages people to stop, look, and think.  Video is seen as more disposable probably because after you’ve watched it, it’s done.  It doesn’t stay there like a photograph.  I think this makes it easier to dismiss a video or even the person making it in the comments.

I wonder what you and others would think of a social website that has a very, very long standing and established real life community like ravelry.com.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Not sure I agree with nolandfone (or really understand what he/she is saying.)  There have been a lot of well established communities around amateur and professional video.  Back in the day when I was growing up Super-8 was popular and I subscribed to magazines like Super-8 filmmaker and Cinemagic.</p>
<p>Many of the other comments I agree with but there&#8217;s one thing that hasn&#8217;t been mentioned.  I think the character of any social community is going to ultimately depend on the nature of the core reason people are getting together in the first place.  Photography is a more contemplative art, a freeze frame of life.  It encourages people to stop, look, and think.  Video is seen as more disposable probably because after you’ve watched it, it’s done.  It doesn’t stay there like a photograph.  I think this makes it easier to dismiss a video or even the person making it in the comments.</p>
<p>I wonder what you and others would think of a social website that has a very, very long standing and established real life community like ravelry.com.</p>
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		<title>By: nolandfone</title>
		<link>http://arielwaldman.com/2008/04/21/community-in-the-comments/comment-page-1/#comment-111</link>
		<dc:creator>nolandfone</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 May 2008 03:47:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The community needs to have pre-existed for the two to complement each other.  Let me explain, a long long time ago before Flickr et. el., and even before digital camera (yes I know many of you don&#039;t remember that far back!!), there was 35mm film.  Photo&#039;s where taken, photo magazines where published and a communities met as part of local SIG meeting.  Making the leap to digital and then the online world allowed this existing pool (community) of amateur &amp; pro&#039;s to express their work and comments in real time.  Flickr is made up of these people who then self govern and help manage all things that they &quot;take pride in&quot;.  I&#039;m not saying that a video of a coke bottle blowing up on YouTube was not created with love, care and is not the pride and joy of the teenage kid who filmed it on his Moto Razor .... Anyway you get the picture (no pun intended).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The community needs to have pre-existed for the two to complement each other.  Let me explain, a long long time ago before Flickr et. el., and even before digital camera (yes I know many of you don&#8217;t remember that far back!!), there was 35mm film.  Photo&#8217;s where taken, photo magazines where published and a communities met as part of local SIG meeting.  Making the leap to digital and then the online world allowed this existing pool (community) of amateur &amp; pro&#8217;s to express their work and comments in real time.  Flickr is made up of these people who then self govern and help manage all things that they &#8220;take pride in&#8221;.  I&#8217;m not saying that a video of a coke bottle blowing up on YouTube was not created with love, care and is not the pride and joy of the teenage kid who filmed it on his Moto Razor &#8230;. Anyway you get the picture (no pun intended).</p>
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		<title>By: Clintus McGintus</title>
		<link>http://arielwaldman.com/2008/04/21/community-in-the-comments/comment-page-1/#comment-97</link>
		<dc:creator>Clintus McGintus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Apr 2008 06:35:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I totally agree. I hate the comments on YouTube.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I totally agree. I hate the comments on YouTube.</p>
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		<title>By: TWD</title>
		<link>http://arielwaldman.com/2008/04/21/community-in-the-comments/comment-page-1/#comment-95</link>
		<dc:creator>TWD</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 26 Apr 2008 17:35:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Everyone knows that YouTube video comments suck, but what people fail to realize is that this is how viral video&#039;s work.  To really hit it big with a video on youtube you have to get onto one of their lists one way or another.  One way that people do this is by getting into the most commented section.  So how do you do this?  Make duplicate accounts and spam.  Post spam in your own video.  Reply to spam comments with spam comments of your own.  This is also the reason why you&#039;ll see lots of videos with reply videos that have nothing to do with the content of the first.  

So I would exactly say that it&#039;s the management tools.  The issue is that the system encourages it.  Spam and dumbing down the discussion is the easiest way for people to make their video popular.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Everyone knows that YouTube video comments suck, but what people fail to realize is that this is how viral video&#8217;s work.  To really hit it big with a video on youtube you have to get onto one of their lists one way or another.  One way that people do this is by getting into the most commented section.  So how do you do this?  Make duplicate accounts and spam.  Post spam in your own video.  Reply to spam comments with spam comments of your own.  This is also the reason why you&#8217;ll see lots of videos with reply videos that have nothing to do with the content of the first.  </p>
<p>So I would exactly say that it&#8217;s the management tools.  The issue is that the system encourages it.  Spam and dumbing down the discussion is the easiest way for people to make their video popular.</p>
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